Sons of Steve Garvey: Game 138 Thread: September 6 @ Padres, 7p

Monday, September 06, 2010

Game 138 Thread: September 6 @ Padres, 7p

~~Carlos Monasterios (3-5, 4.02) vs. Wade LeBlanc (8-12, 4.15)~~ wait wait I mean Vicente Padilla (6-4, 3.96) vs. Tim Stauffer (3-3, 1.68).

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karen said...: Happy Labor Day Everyone!

Wow, you all have been very busy today!; 9/06/2010 7:02 PM
MR.F said...: Hi Karen. It's been a team effort.; 9/06/2010 7:03 PM
spank said...: I'm gonna go start some shit at the league office of Fantasy Football..

More to come....; 9/06/2010 7:03 PM
NicJ said...: petco is freaking empty; 9/06/2010 7:05 PM
MR.F said...: Oh Vin. It is so nice to hear you.; 9/06/2010 7:05 PM
karen said...: The line-up just doesn't look right with Raffy batting second; 9/06/2010 7:06 PM
Kyle Baker said...: What was that noise? Oh, the microwave. My Stauffer's mac and cheese is ready.; 9/06/2010 7:06 PM
Kyle Baker said...: "looked up the information on his computer iPhone" -Vin; 9/06/2010 7:07 PM
NicJ said...: shelburne has really been pushing for Lindsey this year. Somewhere in the braves farm system there is a very jealous Mitch Jones.; 9/06/2010 7:07 PM
Kyle Baker said...: Vin ragging on the Petco attendance.; 9/06/2010 7:09 PM
MR.F said...: No no-hitter!; 9/06/2010 7:09 PM
NicJ said...: one reason petco is so empty is because the dodgers suck so the fans didnt make the trip from LA.

that and there is no such thing as a padres fan.; 9/06/2010 7:10 PM
karen said...: There goes Stauffer's no hitter. =); 9/06/2010 7:10 PM
NicJ said...: vin is stealing Dylans bit.; 9/06/2010 7:11 PM
NicJ said...: big lame james.; 9/06/2010 7:12 PM
MR.F said...: My head wants the Dodgers to lose. My heart wants them to win.

I'm so conflicted.; 9/06/2010 7:12 PM
Kyle Baker said...: Loney back to his old GIDP tricks.; 9/06/2010 7:13 PM
spank said...: They should have called up Tim Wallach too. I hate this Torre watch like if we are begging him to come back. He better hope my boot doesn't kick his ass on the way out.; 9/06/2010 7:16 PM
NicJ said...: boise D is failing.; 9/06/2010 7:18 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: What's the over/under on Dodger runs today?; 9/06/2010 7:18 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: Go Blue! No conflict here.; 9/06/2010 7:19 PM
karen said...: @Mr.F--I'm with you. I guess my love for the Dodgers out weighs my hatred for the Jints. I can't bring myself to root for the Pods, but will be ok just the same if they win; 9/06/2010 7:20 PM
Paul said...: Love the Jamey Carroll ole miss commercial.; 9/06/2010 7:21 PM
Josh S. said...: How in the blue fuck do we have so many comments already? (I mean, without me whoring it up yet.); 9/06/2010 7:22 PM
spank said...: Hi Karen, What's the haps?; 9/06/2010 7:23 PM
NicJ said...: wow, VT D failing.; 9/06/2010 7:23 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Because we've all been whoring it up.; 9/06/2010 7:24 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: @Josh: You missed the whole dissertation of the meaning of neebs, without the extra e; 9/06/2010 7:24 PM
Kyle Baker said...: @Neeebs

Runs, or run?; 9/06/2010 7:24 PM
karen said...: That looked like a bad call on the Beard; 9/06/2010 7:25 PM
NicJ said...: neebs = dirty vagina.; 9/06/2010 7:25 PM
NicJ said...: my bad, musty.; 9/06/2010 7:26 PM
MR.F said...: I've taken over whoring duties.; 9/06/2010 7:26 PM
karen said...: Hi Spanky

Any beer drinking games tonite??; 9/06/2010 7:27 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: @Nic: I thought the proper way to say it would be "musty cunt." At least, that's what the UD says, no?

Truth be told, if you add an extra e then it translates to "stinky penis."

I had to make a bold choice.; 9/06/2010 7:27 PM
MR.F said...: KEMP FAILS TO STRIKE OUT; 9/06/2010 7:27 PM
NicJ said...: the GT content has degenerated in this place ever since the Sons turned us into Latchkey kids.; 9/06/2010 7:28 PM
NicJ said...: not complaining, just an observation.; 9/06/2010 7:30 PM
karen said...: @Neeebs

My eyes are burning!; 9/06/2010 7:30 PM
spank said...: @ Karen

No, Taking it easy tonite; 9/06/2010 7:33 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: @karen:

I'm just the innocent bystander here. Go back to the beginning of the thread. The kids needed to pick on someone and it was my turn.; 9/06/2010 7:33 PM
karina said...: Epale everyone!

@Dusty Baker "Karina, close your ears" -if I had a dime anytime I've heard that-

@Neeebs are those definitions accurate?; 9/06/2010 7:33 PM
NicJ said...: wow, that FG attempt wasnt even close.; 9/06/2010 7:33 PM
karen said...: There's the soap bubble, Vin!; 9/06/2010 7:34 PM
NicJ said...: ooof, what a bad play.; 9/06/2010 7:34 PM
spank said...: @ Neeebs

I like musty cunt personally but if you prefer stinky penis that is your prerogative.; 9/06/2010 7:34 PM
karina said...: Hello Mrs Dusty! (in case she's still lurking and you guys didn't scare her away); 9/06/2010 7:36 PM
karen said...: @Neeebs

The kids were playing at your expense weren't they! Naughty boys!; 9/06/2010 7:37 PM
MeanieBreanie said...: Epale everyone, I'm a bit late to the party and catching up on comments.

@Spank - I hope Papa Spank is well on the way to recovery. Gotta love a feisty old man!

@Sax - I love the boys in blue and want them to win; however I am willing to take one for the team if it is necessary.

To the rest of you ignore me. I am totally buzzed after a great steak dinner and Heitz Cabernet followed by a few Glenmorangie's Quinta Ruban's neat. Salute!; 9/06/2010 7:37 PM
karen said...: Epale Karina!

Epale MB!; 9/06/2010 7:40 PM
MeanieBreanie said...: Epale everyone and may we have a reason to party tonight!; 9/06/2010 7:41 PM
karen said...: "But oh the other problems" Vin

That's putting it gently; 9/06/2010 7:43 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: @Karina:

Apparently if you look up "neebs" (two ee) in Urban Dictionary you get the musty definition. I made up the definition with three ees for effect.; 9/06/2010 7:43 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: @Karen:

I can take it.; 9/06/2010 7:44 PM
NicJ said...: WOOOO

BEAT LA!!; 9/06/2010 7:44 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Meh.; 9/06/2010 7:45 PM
MeanieBreanie said...: There is still plenty of game left and I have hope. Go Dodgers!; 9/06/2010 7:45 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: What's up with giving up HRs to the number 8 hitter?; 9/06/2010 7:45 PM
spank said...: Thanks MB for the niceties

Back at the game.....

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!; 9/06/2010 7:47 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: @Spanky - Re: SoSG Fantasy Football - Excellent choice in name.; 9/06/2010 7:51 PM
MeanieBreanie said...: Free James Loney!; 9/06/2010 7:52 PM
spank said...: @ Mlasf

Check out my team helmet. ha Ha HA!; 9/06/2010 7:53 PM
NicJ said...: i like the logo too.; 9/06/2010 7:53 PM
Jason said...: @Mr C & Dusty - Your sign appears in the lower right and the much more obvious flag in the upper left. Source: The Market Arms, Ballard, WA

http://twitpic.com/2m0ax6; 9/06/2010 7:53 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: I think I have an inkling as to what the F stands for.; 9/06/2010 7:53 PM
MeanieBreanie said...: Come on Dre...show them what your made of!; 9/06/2010 7:55 PM
spank said...: (turns head innocently); 9/06/2010 7:55 PM
MR.F said...: We scored! Yay! Aww! What?; 9/06/2010 7:55 PM
NicJ said...: the bitter taste of success.; 9/06/2010 7:55 PM
karen said...: WooHoo we're all tied up!!; 9/06/2010 7:55 PM
MeanieBreanie said...: My man Dre is on base!; 9/06/2010 7:56 PM
Josh S. said...: Holy shit, a RISP hit!; 9/06/2010 7:56 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Time for a little recon on MCC to see if they're rooting for us.; 9/06/2010 7:56 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: I predict a strikeout.; 9/06/2010 7:57 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: How cute. They call Ethier "Queefier." They actually have to change the names to make them feminine.; 9/06/2010 7:57 PM
Neeebs (The Original) said...: Surprise, surprise.; 9/06/2010 7:58 PM
MR.F said...: Nothing beats Oyster Pubes.

Also, there's a "Nadsburger" somewhere in Madison Bumgarner.; 9/06/2010 7:59 PM
karina said...: I know I'm late, but that's KING JAMES!

though he's at his best, slightly average ;); 9/06/2010 8:00 PM
NicJ said...: slightly average is a stretch.; 9/06/2010 8:01 PM
NicJ said...: haha; 9/06/2010 8:01 PM
spank said...: In my Royalty Scale Loney is more of a Pawn than a King. Or is that only in chess? I'm not from England, forget about it.; 9/06/2010 8:03 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: "Little pop fly that drops in for a base hit"

But Eckstein wasn't at bat, was he?; 9/06/2010 8:03 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Loney's not a pawn. Pawns only move forward.; 9/06/2010 8:04 PM
spank said...: C'mon Chente Strike him out or bean the fucker it's all good; 9/06/2010 8:04 PM
karina said...: @NicJ I was talking about his hitting because he's not that good at defense, his UZR kinda blows; 9/06/2010 8:05 PM
MR.F said...: James Loney is this guy:
http://bit.ly/9zkfBt; 9/06/2010 8:05 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Loney's more like a rouke with a pawn in front of it: can only move side-to-side or backwards.; 9/06/2010 8:06 PM
karina said...: The good thing about this Rancho Ardiendo is they can get a double play.; 9/06/2010 8:07 PM
NicJ said...: haha, very nice mr f.; 9/06/2010 8:07 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: The only good thing about this Rancho Ardiendo is that the Padres can score runs.; 9/06/2010 8:08 PM
spank said...: Damn Mlasf, You took it to the extreme but
I like your version of Loney better.; 9/06/2010 8:08 PM
NicJ said...: when is the last time we walked in a run?; 9/06/2010 8:09 PM
spank said...: Throw a strike YOU IDIOT; 9/06/2010 8:09 PM
NicJ said...: ooooh, so close.; 9/06/2010 8:10 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Padilla's getting some real bad luck this inning.; 9/06/2010 8:12 PM
NicJ said...: wow, haha that was just bad luck.; 9/06/2010 8:12 PM
MR.F said...: Our kind of luck?; 9/06/2010 8:13 PM
NicJ said...: isnt our luck always bad?; 9/06/2010 8:13 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: This whole season has been a testament to bad luck.; 9/06/2010 8:14 PM
spank said...: Fuck Yeah! Gameday just called Padilla's last pitch EEhpus, not a change-up; 9/06/2010 8:14 PM
NicJ said...: damn, our bullpen is standing room only tonight.; 9/06/2010 8:16 PM
Kyle Baker said...: I spilled wine all over the god damned place and got real pissed off. I'm having to cool my engines now, per Mrs Dusty.; 9/06/2010 8:16 PM
MR.F said...: Sorry to hear that DB. Is Mrs. Dusty upset otherwise?; 9/06/2010 8:17 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: AUSMUS BB = FAIL; 9/06/2010 8:18 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Seriously, Joe, you're going with Fat Belly over Lindsey and Mitchell?; 9/06/2010 8:19 PM
MR.F said...: Is this the last of Mujica?; 9/06/2010 8:21 PM
karen said...: What's up with Mujica's "sideburns"??; 9/06/2010 8:23 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: This football game is more interesting.; 9/06/2010 8:23 PM
Kyle Baker said...: No, she's jsut upset that I got so mad and yelled a lot at myself and made up some more cuss words and that the door was open so the neighbors had to be thinking I'm a freak.; 9/06/2010 8:23 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Lucky call on that block.; 9/06/2010 8:25 PM
NicJ said...: you better watch it with the cuss words DB, she is going to take your urban dictionary privileges away.; 9/06/2010 8:25 PM
Steve Sax said...: Finally back in the LA area, gents and gals.

nice to see that the Dodgers are picking up just as I expected, down 3-1.

Rafael Furcal is stepping to the plate for the next at bat, and Brad Ausmus is just about approaching second base from first.; 9/06/2010 8:25 PM
Steve Sax said...: Jesus, Scotty Pods, what the hell were you thinking?

You learning baserunning from Matt Kemp?; 9/06/2010 8:26 PM
NicJ said...: this game is interesting.; 9/06/2010 8:26 PM
spank said...: Wide open; 9/06/2010 8:26 PM
Steve Sax said...: I hate MSB.; 9/06/2010 8:26 PM
Steve Sax said...: hey Dusty, why are you cursing?; 9/06/2010 8:27 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Boise's getting the breaks.; 9/06/2010 8:27 PM
Steve Sax said...: Why is Margaret Thatcher pitching? Is this 80's night?

(Sorry if this joke has already been used in the GT.); 9/06/2010 8:27 PM
Steve Sax said...: Loney, that was pathetic.; 9/06/2010 8:27 PM
spank said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 9/06/2010 8:27 PM
NicJ said...: WOOOOOWWWWW; 9/06/2010 8:28 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: TOUCHDOWN NON-TEBOW BRONCOS; 9/06/2010 8:28 PM
NicJ said...: did they score too early though?; 9/06/2010 8:28 PM
Steve Sax said...: @Mr F 8:05p: are you calling Loney a little stiff?; 9/06/2010 8:29 PM
spank said...: Why is it stunning Fuckburger? Boise St. has been top ten for years; 9/06/2010 8:29 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: VT has plenty of time for a field goal to force OT.; 9/06/2010 8:29 PM
Kyle Baker said...: @Sax

I spilled some wine. Cuss words ensued. Irrational reaction prevailed.; 9/06/2010 8:30 PM
NicJ said...: little stiff? wasnt that an alternate definition for a neeb?; 9/06/2010 8:30 PM
Steve Sax said...: Woman behind home plate at Petco, holding up a Go Padres sign that she worked on all day after shopping at Michaels; 9/06/2010 8:30 PM
Nostradamus said...: Thatcher pitching on Labo(u)r Day? Is nothing sacred?; 9/06/2010 8:30 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Nice field position for VT.; 9/06/2010 8:30 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: You idiot, why are you going deep with so much time on the clock and two TO's?; 9/06/2010 8:31 PM
Steve Sax said...: @Dusty: I'm assuming it's red. And your couch isn't red.

Hey, Belisario hits a Padre! Now we're talking!; 9/06/2010 8:31 PM
spank said...: College kickers are the worst. You gotta get real close; 9/06/2010 8:31 PM
NicJ said...: sacked; 9/06/2010 8:31 PM
MR.F said...: DB, did you at least use the word "neeb" in your profanity-laced tirade?; 9/06/2010 8:32 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: I pointed out the weak O-line earlier.; 9/06/2010 8:32 PM
Steve Sax said...: Oh, George Sherrill is warming up. We're sure to win now.; 9/06/2010 8:32 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: OH THOSE KIDS FROM BOISE ARE SO BRAVE TO SHOW UP AND PLAY THE BIG BOYS

Bite me, Assburger.; 9/06/2010 8:32 PM
NicJ said...: padres get a SB on a foul tip.

Luck is sure on our side tonight.; 9/06/2010 8:33 PM
Kyle Baker said...: Yeah field goals aren't exactly smiled upon in this style of ball, not are they a given even if the ball is within range.; 9/06/2010 8:33 PM
spank said...: Choking; 9/06/2010 8:33 PM
spank said...: Choked; 9/06/2010 8:34 PM
NicJ said...: wow, nice D by the corners.; 9/06/2010 8:34 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: I thought he had it. Oh well.

WOO SUCK IT COWHERD; 9/06/2010 8:34 PM
Kyle Baker said...: He wanted interference on that last call. Glad it wasn't call, because this is a tough guy sport, but it was clooooose.; 9/06/2010 8:34 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Every time they say Beamer I hear Beiber.; 9/06/2010 8:35 PM
NicJ said...: as a former moderate at best highschool corner i say that was a good non call.; 9/06/2010 8:35 PM
spank said...: What debate? They are the No.3 team in the nation DUMMY; 9/06/2010 8:35 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: THE #3 TEAM BEATS THE #10 TEAM THIS IS SUCH AN UNBELIEVABLE UPSET; 9/06/2010 8:35 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Great minds and all that, right Spanky?; 9/06/2010 8:36 PM
NicJ said...: broncos get a win and nobody got punched.; 9/06/2010 8:37 PM
Kyle Baker said...: Completely agree, Nic. Just saying it was within the realm of being close to consideration, or called by a particularly poor referee.; 9/06/2010 8:37 PM
spank said...: Back to Dem Bums; 9/06/2010 8:37 PM
Steve Sax said...: hey, ah, ronald? The plate is actually over that way.; 9/06/2010 8:37 PM
Steve Sax said...: how did vincent denorfria just take third? nice effort there, dodgers; 9/06/2010 8:38 PM
Steve Sax said...: In that "Giants vs. SD" ad behind home plate--why is the 619 area code in gray? Aren't they proud of their digits down there?; 9/06/2010 8:39 PM
MR.F said...: The abusive parent returns to the latchkey kids. Just here to raid the cellar stash of whiskey and wine, eh, Sax? Well, too bad! The kids have shared it amongst themselves! And by shared, I mean, I had all of it until DB spilled it and Mrs. DB got mad and it was unconfirmed whether DB used the word "neeb" or not.; 9/06/2010 8:39 PM
Paul said...: Still trying to catch my breath from the Boise State game.; 9/06/2010 8:39 PM
Steve Sax said...: Miguel te HA HA! (Said like Nelson Muntz); 9/06/2010 8:39 PM
Kyle Baker said...: You haven't missed much around here lately, Sax. Just a lot of high profile internecine Dodger blogger war, some painful losses, and an unfortunate synonym for one of SoSG's faithful reader's handle.

Did I miss anything, folks?; 9/06/2010 8:39 PM
karina said...: Who's Cowherd?; 9/06/2010 8:40 PM
Steve Sax said...: Jeremy Renner always looks so constipated; 9/06/2010 8:40 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: I don't know what that guy on Yahoo! was talking about, nobody's going to hate on Boise until they become media darlings.; 9/06/2010 8:41 PM
NicJ said...: revis is back!! now i can drop my calim on karina's accidentally waived NO D/ST; 9/06/2010 8:41 PM
spank said...: Dedication to Dusty

Spill the Wine- WAR; 9/06/2010 8:41 PM
Kyle Baker said...: I can't let this go. How does six friggin' ounces of wine turn into what seems like 4 gallons when it hits the hardwood floor and iPhone?; 9/06/2010 8:42 PM
Nostradamus said...: @Karina

He's an ESPN morning sports talk host. Fairly irritating my my opinion.; 9/06/2010 8:42 PM
Steve Sax said...: I think I caught some of the blogger comments, though I don't understand all the context and background...

I did catch the painful losses, albeit over gameday, the saturday one coming while drinking an expensive bottle of red wine outside on my friend's patio deck under heatlamps and a beautiful starry sky...

What was the nickname, and who was the unfortunate recipient?; 9/06/2010 8:42 PM
MR.F said...: It was Matt Kemp's fault.; 9/06/2010 8:42 PM
Steve Sax said...: PS points again to Dusty for "internecine"; 9/06/2010 8:42 PM
Kyle Baker said...: Good one, Spank.; 9/06/2010 8:42 PM
Nostradamus said...: Yeah! That makes it 5 "internecines" in one season. At least we're doing something right.; 9/06/2010 8:44 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: I could explain my take on Cowherd if you want, but I doubt you'd want to read the whole thing after the first six expletives, so I'll just direct you to his Wikipedia page instead.; 9/06/2010 8:45 PM
MeanieBreanie said...: @DB - I think I understand Mrs. Dusty's wrath. One never wants to waste good wine or liquor. Heaven forbid you lose a drop to the floor or to the dog!; 9/06/2010 8:46 PM
Kyle Baker said...: Half the internecine pts go to Mr C as I believe he brought the term up, originally.

#alwaysthegentleman; 9/06/2010 8:46 PM
karina said...: I already said I put my D/ST on waivers by accident...be nice, gentlemen!

This fantasy baseball makes me feel like I´m studying math all over again.; 9/06/2010 8:46 PM
NicJ said...: all is fair in love and fantasy

football.; 9/06/2010 8:47 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: MSTI says Aussie wunderkind Trent Oeltjen will be called up Monday.

You call that a fastball? THIS is a fastball.; 9/06/2010 8:47 PM
Kyle Baker said...: @MB

The wrath was totally about my overreaction.

My overreaction was totally about a) missing the game b) having to clean all the shit up and c) wasted booze.; 9/06/2010 8:48 PM
Kyle Baker said...: @Karina

Math is hard!; 9/06/2010 8:49 PM
karina said...: I like Trent Oeltjen.He is a former Águilas, but truth has to be told: his defense is lousy.; 9/06/2010 8:49 PM
MR.F said...: Kemp K's.; 9/06/2010 8:49 PM
NicJ said...: kemp, predictable.; 9/06/2010 8:49 PM
karina said...: @NicJ thanks, now I'm going to freak out.; 9/06/2010 8:49 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: I just want to make numerous Dundee references.; 9/06/2010 8:50 PM
spank said...: @ Dusty

Was that all? I had a visual of you with multiple bottles in hand all happy,tripping, contraband flying and flowing everywhere, then the mayhem. Oh well only in the movies I guess.; 9/06/2010 8:51 PM
karina said...: @Dusty Baker it's hard and my best effort is at the best, awful, not good enough to pass :(; 9/06/2010 8:51 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: 401; 9/06/2010 8:51 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: DAMMIT; 9/06/2010 8:51 PM
karina said...: Ausmus, prove you're clutch!

(optimism talking here); 9/06/2010 8:51 PM
Mr. LA Sports Czar said...: Clutchmus?; 9/06/2010 8:52 PM
Nostradamus said...: @karina

Don't freak out. If we've learned anything from today's thread, it's to keep calm and carry on.; 9/06/2010 8:52 PM
NicJ said...: BEAT LA; 9/06/2010 8:52 PM
Steve Sax said...: Comebacker? COMEBACKER???

Criminy.; 9/06/2010 8:53 PM
Kyle Baker said...: @Spanky

Nope, that was it. Just a wee 6 oz. I can't imagine what I would have done in your scenario; grabbed a shard and slit my wrists, I suppose.

Outside of sports, I don't get bent out of shape about big things. Just overreact to tiny annoyances.; 9/06/2010 8:53 PM
spank said...: AusMoss Sucks!; 9/06/2010 8:53 PM
Kyle Baker said...: I can't imagine anyone learning anything from this thread, Mr. C, so I'm impressed that you did.; 9/06/2010 8:54 PM
karina said...: Blowmus :(; 9/06/2010 8:54 PM