Thursday, August 19, 2010

Post-Game 122 Thread: Lilly-(de)Livered

DODGERS 2, ROCKIES 0

Ted Lilly pitches a CG SHO two-hitter, allowing a Reed Johnson two-run HR to standup as the Dodgers' only runs necessary. Tony Olivo's tossing (arguing a called third strike) provided the only excitement in an otherwise tame game. But the Dodgers stave off falling to .500 for at least another two days. Seven back in the Wild Card, not that that's relevant anymore...

120 comments:

Dusty Baker said...

Sax, we won! Buck up!

Paul said...

I think I am going to grow a playoff beard. Just for old times sake.

Josh S. said...

Hey, we have three CGSOs!

That's, like, a lot for us.

Dusty Baker said...

I'm going to have a hard time convincing Mrs Dusty to go for my playoff beard gambit this season.

( On me, not her, Mr C. )

Dusty Baker said...

What's protocol on unfinished conversation in GT>PGT transition? Sometimes there's so much I still want to say in the GT based on previous comments.

NicJ said...

i would say just transfer the convo to the current thread

let the expletives fly, DB.

Dusty Baker said...

Gotcha, Nic.

Paul- I'm your daddy.

NicJ said...

well, maybe not that one DB.

haha.

Dusty Baker said...

Levine bagging on Deuce's parents for keeping him up so late to do his 8th inning antics.

Paul said...

Only a casual dad would claim that.

Dusty Baker said...

It's not like I got hammered and didn't show up to your games like Spank's old man, Paul.

Paul said...

Yeah but showing up leather pants might be worse.

Paul said...

Speaking of getting hammered and not showing up. Where is Sax?

Steve Sax said...

Hey now, ease up. I'm hardly hammered.

I do think the Deuce routine albeit cute is a little child exploitationish at this stage. Maybe this will finally convince them to cut DSB altogether (for the second game that I've attended, no Jameson Moss, yet we still played the song despite the fact we were winning).

Dusty Baker said...

I didn't know you were headed to the Yard, Sax. Did you stay til the end? If so, was it a pretty good ovation for Teddy? I read some Tweets that said it was pretty loud for him. Hope so. Local boy done good! He said he was emotional afterward having grown ip around Dodgers an always wanting to pitch there.

Steve Sax said...

Lilly got a sweet round of applause when he took the mound in the ninth, at least from the non-casual fans the bloggers pine to see...

Steve Sax said...

@DB: yeah,I fell into tickets so i got there late and stated until the end...

Dusty Baker said...

That's Awesome that you got to be there sax.

Bad timing for Josh's outing to the Yard this week though.

Mr. Customer said...
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Mr. Customer said...

Wow, lots of post-game navel-gazing! (not that I disapprove).

I especially enjoyed Dusty's preemptive strike against my smartassery.

*grammar salvaged*

Fred's Brim said...

Lily will probably pitch well for the rest of the season. The Dodgers will either let him go a la Randy Wolf and get nothing for him, infuriating fans like me. Or we will sign him for too much money and he will be Ted Lily, infuriating fans like me.

rbnlaw said...

Apparently several tweeters consider the posters here to be "casual fans." I find the arrogance a little annoying.

rbnlaw said...

Dammit FB (my Faberuben brutha),
there is no good end to this scenario.

But I do think we need to resign Lilly based on what he can do, and what he's done to us in the past.

Dusty Baker said...

I was high on the Lilly for about 15 mins last night until I realized he was 36. Too much of a risk there for anything long term and expensive, in my book.

Mr. Customer said...

@rbn

Yes, that's a bit irritating. I do not much care what the twitterati think, however. Everyone likes to play armchair GM now and then, but I don't think it should suck all the joy out of being a baseball fan.

Thus, I refrain from punching myself in the face repeatedly about how much the Dodgers suck.

Josh S. said...

DB: He's only 34, according to the always-trustworthy Wikipedia. I say he merits a two-year deal.

Just don't create another Jon Garland monster, Ned.

rbnlaw said...

I look at their tweets as lowbrow humor and hubris. Most are stat-driven geeks who figure their mathematical leanings are the way to "truly" enjoy the game. At the end of the day, it's still a game. Stats can't predict shit, or Juan Pierre wouldn't have a job.

As for Lilly; he's older than Randy Wolf, but could be more effective the way he throws. He reminds me of Maddux without the 300 wins and Cy Youngs.

rbnlaw said...

Nice Josh,
Now I'll go to bed tonight with visions of Lilly getting 12 wins for the Pod Rays next year as they go back-to-back for division championships.

rbnlaw said...

V.Pad to the DL?
So that's what was wrong.

MR. F said...

I'm glad I don't keep up with tweets. All this inter-blogger drama is too much for me.

Spank Raving Mad said...

Casual is my middle name. I'd rather drink beers and stalk women than review stats on my free time.

Dusty Baker said...

Sorry re Lilly age. FOX post game screwed that up and I took it as the truth. Like I do all FOX statements of fact.

Dusty Baker said...

Heh. You tha man Spank.

karina said...

This Lilly punk is growing on me, but as El Montanero said wisely a few days ago, there's no point to grow attached.

I do think playing for LA might be a great motivation for Lilly,but what do I know?there's no stat for that.

Hey Fred's Brim, I missed you around here.Like a LOT.

Neeebs said...

At this point in the season, I'd say a fire sale for prospects works best for me.

We will have HUGE holes to fill next season.

Dusty Baker said...

Sounds like Karina woke up with a +3 surly factor. I like it!

karina said...

Neeebs,I dare you to say that in Twitter.

I understand we can't trade the whole farm for regular and experienced players but it doesn't mean the Dodgers can gamble once in a while or a lot, depending on the needs.

They whine about a losing team AND the same time they whine about trading "prospects".If they don't have cash, how on earth are they going to fill the empty places?.At the end of the day, the trade that brought Barba to LA was beneficial for the team,even if he hasn't had a good season.

@Dusty Baker by the way, bullying @rbaly79 for Twitter, it's not cool,at all.A part of me wishes I could give that person the rudest reply ever.

Dusty Baker said...

Who was bullying Roberto?

Fred's Brim said...

It's been a long week for me, so I have decided to quit brains, cold turkey.

On monday. One more binge should do it. Who's in?

Fred's Brim said...

The sidebar has our Division Win probability at 0%. Did the Padres win 25 games last night?

karina said...

@Dusty Baker A fellow SoSG reader. Roberto was very nice to him (as always),even sharing an opinion. Paraphrasing Mr C, he's a better person than most of us, so it's not cool.

Paul said...

Unless Lilly was a high school ringer he should be 34ish.

This organization reputation is taking a big hit. I don't think Ted believes the Dodgers will be serious about signing him. Probably would be overpriced.

An infamous Casualito is what I like to be called.

Dusty Baker said...

Casualito....I like it!

Mr. Customer said...

I consider myself more of a causal fan.

Josh S. said...

I'm a business casual fan.

Fred's Brim said...

I consider myself a fan of Casual

Dusty Baker said...

This is what kind of fan I am:

http://www.casualculture.cjb.net

Dusty Baker said...

Sons need to put up a "Work-watching Thread" for today.

catrina dumbledore said...

Today is casual Friday

Fred's Brim said...

The Post Game thread for that would pretty interesting

catrina dumbledore said...

Casual definitions,courtesy of urban dictionary:

4.Casual: its casual, meaning "its whatever" or "its chill"; also can be used to describe random objects that you see.

12.Casual:a casual alcoholic beverage; beer is the number one casual beverage. the ideal situation for drinking casual is when you just get home from a long day at work, or when you just want to enjoy a few casuals with the boys(close friends/chums)

Random objects and/or drinking beer at home after work.Nah,I haven't heard of suck behavior.

Booty and Beer said...

Is this casual statlickers?

Booty and Beer said...

I hope I don't get censored by Lasorda. We all know how he is on top of things by his posts.

Mr. Customer said...

Casual Fridays would be far less productive, were it taken to that extreme.

Dusty Baker said...

You mean "such behavior," Karina?

Neeebs said...

@Karina:

I don't Tweet/Twit/whatever they call it. I have enough distractions.

I'm also like to be the "voice of reason" (Here come the flames, watch out.) We have a ton of holes to fill for next season. At this point we should start focusing on that reality, rather than hope to jump Philly/St. Louis for a Wild Card.

Sad, but true.

Paul said...

The Casualitos don't quite get your reasoning Neeebs. The Dodgers are out of it?!?

Josh S. said...

I'm actually (mostly) with Neeebs. Even if we do make a Rockies-like run, the holes are still there.

I just think it would be advantageous to not burn the Lilly bridge (again). I would leave him out of the fire sale for now, even with MSTI being right about him having the most value right this second.

Paul said...

This might be biggest Dodger off season turnover in years.

It is amazing how big the drop off the bullpen as been when you look at them as indivduals. Sherrill, Tron, Belly, Weaver have had injuries, personal issues and minor league assignments.

Then we had that Ortiz guy.

Nothing seemed to work this year. (- Kuo)

rbnlaw said...

OK, since I started the whole thing, let me finish the thought (need I remind you all of my AC record).
Roberto, indeed, was the one who tweeted about certain trades making the "casual fan" happy. He was tweeting in reply to something Argyledplaschke (KempKershaw) wrote about trading future talent for "right now" talent (or something like that).
I took that as a "bread and circuses" type of comment. In other words, Colletti is making trades to keep the butts in the seats, no matter the cost. We the "casual fan" will be more than happy to keep buying tickets as long as the Mannys keep rotating though The Ravine.

I see most of the bloggers (present company excepted) as stat-driven fans, using imaginary mathematical formulas to rationalize their criticisms. I also don't see Roberto in that group, but he did say tweet what he tweeted. I just called it like I saw it.

Let's get back to this one.

rbnlaw said...

^tweet
not say tweet. That just sounds stupid.

Paul said...

I don't think the psychological/mental reaction to a trade gets enough focus.

Sometimes a player needs a new scene or a kick
in the ass that they won't be around for long if they don't step it up. We all have started new jobs am tried to put our best foot forward.

Not to mention the different schedules, coaching and stadiums that are involved when a player is traded.

In other words pointing to a players month long stats and trying to say he would have done that with his former team is being a bit dishonest.

Paul said...

I don't know why I have so much angst. The Yankees had this wraped up in Feb.

Dusty Baker said...

Just noted Moriyama's tweet from yesterday:

"Matt Kemp has ripped three balls today. Nothing as a result. Not your year, dude."

Just not your year? Is there a stat for that? So any other time a player stinks, it's because their WARVORPTOOTBPLANOPSBABIP coefficient is shitty, but in Kemp's case, it's "just not his year."

#LiesDamnLiesStatistics

Dusty Baker said...

@Paul

Exactly - February of 1926.

rbnlaw said...

Dude leads his team in HR's and RBI, but it's not his year.

See, HR's and RBI are useless stats because the casual fan can compute them.

Dusty Baker said...

Is Kemp having a good or bad year? I don't even know any more.

Neeebs said...

@Josh S.: I envision us skipping arm in arm down the yellow brick road. (mostly.)

@Paul: Is it time for the FM reunion tour?

@All: What the fuck is a TOOTBLAN?

Dusty Baker said...

Oh, I can easily envision Neeebs and Josh skipping down the road, arm in arm.

rbnlaw said...

@Neeebs:
Or an XFIP for that matter.

Dusty Baker said...

xFIP = ((13*(.106*# of fly balls))+(3*BB+HBP-IBB)-(2*K))/IP+constant

Dusty Baker said...

Doesn't that make baseball fun??

rbnlaw said...

@DB: Did you just cuss me out?

OK, what's TOOTBLAN?

Mr. Customer said...

@Dusty

"Is Kemp having a good or bad year?"

Yes.

MR. F said...

I actually enjoy advanced statistics a bit...

What turns me off the other blogs is the constant doom and gloom as well as the overall cynicism.

Dusty Baker said...

As a few of us were explaining recently, in particular myself, I do like statistics - a lot - but I just don't view them as the entrant into my love for the game. Statistics can often after the fact reveal a player's or a team's talent, and I enjoy what they reveal in that regard. But I don't rely on them to help my understanding of a player or of the game, and certainly not to help my enjoyment of the game itself as it is played out.

QuadSevens said...

xFIP looks xRIDICULOUS!

I'm also curious about TOOTBLAN.

Spanky said...

I think Kemp and Ethier are having a Pierre 2009 year.

Good at the beginning worthless after

Spanky said...

Tootblan has to do with Theriot's fielding and baserunning mistakes I believe.

Josh S. said...

Thrown
Out
On
The
Basepaths
Like
A
Nincompoop

A term bestowed upon Theriot by Cubs fans.

I've grown tired of it already.

Spanky said...

It's an Acronym but I'm not fact checking

Neeebs said...

@Spanky:

Agreed with assessment of Ethier/Kemp.

Also agree with the B&B avatar

@Mr. F: I hate to sound too doom and gloom lately, too. I'll try to cheer up. I do still enjoy watching the games.

Dusty Baker said...

Buck up, Neeebs! We need you for the stretch.

Spanky said...

Cybermetric's the be all end all to some. I'm an observastionist.

What I see don't lie.

Mr. Customer said...

As Yours Truly maintains a subscription to Baseball Prospectus and peruses the occasional Baseball Abstract, the occasional esoteric statistic isn't beyond my simple comprehension.

I like it as a tool to understand the game, but I try not to forget that numbers aren't why I love the game. Lord knows that Ned and I aren't on the same page most of the time, but I'm not getting paid to run a baseball team, so I'm not going to get worked up into a lather over it.

Dusty Baker said...

Seeing is believing, indeed.

rbnlaw said...

Yoga, then the pool, then the beer.

Dusty Baker said...

I sure as shit wish you did run the team, Mr. C. I could look forward to the occasional sacking of the countryside if things didn't go well on the field.

catrina dumbledore said...

@Rbnlaw @QuadSevens as Dusty replied to me in Twitter:

"Thrown Out On The Basepaths Like A Nincompoop"

If by any chance you don't what Nincompoop is, it's a foolish or stupid person.

@Dusty Baker I meant "such"

@Rbnlaw my mistake,then.I thought he was bullying Roberto.I admit I have a sort of bad predisposition because (at least the ones on Twitter) are very pretentious, rude with whoever doesn't share their opinions,gloomy and cynic,all the time. I started following some and stopped to do so, others I followed through replies of fellow SoSGers.Then I mixed it with the fact that I like Roberto very much.I'm sorry,very sorry.
I like statistics very much but there are certain things that can't be measured. For example, I agree 100% about what Paul said over psychological aspects.
Let's take James Loney,for example, though he's not hitting his usual self lately, his production is constant and he drives lots of runs and he's very good defensively,so I don't care if those are old-fashioned stats or if he isn't very much of a power hitter.

catrina dumbledore said...

@Mr C that's the other thing: all the merciless ripping, there's a reason they get paid to be managers and GMs while others,like us, just dedicate a precious amount of time not only to Dodgers baseball, but baseball in general

Dusty Baker said...

Hear, hear, Karina!

Dusty Baker said...

Official that Battle Toad to the DL and T Slick back.

Mr. Customer said...

@karina

I like to be mad all at once, have a good swear, and get back to my life. I'd rather not nurse it like at 2L Bierstiefel

Mr. Customer said...

@dusty

"sacking of the countryside"

Ha! That will put an end to paying all these costly signing bonuses. It's impressment for the lot of you!

Spanky said...

Time for a Group Hug? (wipes nose)

Mr. Customer said...

I find it amusing what we decide to do with a whole day to ourselves on a PGT.

Spanky said...

It was more like a Pre-Game Thread

QuadSevens said...

This probably one of the longest running PGT ever. As far as time goes, not sure about comments.

Loney Fan said...

Anyone going to the game tonight?

MR. F said...

100

catriona dumbledore said...

100!

MR. F said...

Not a single post by the Sons today (so far)!

catriona dumbledore said...

@Mr C I don't know what you mean with "to nurse it like 2L Bierstiefel"

@Spank I don't know if we need a group hug,but I can hug you,if you need it.

rbnlaw said...

@karina,
No sweat, my pet. (more obscure English idioms!)

Found out last night that a friend of mine played winter ball in Venezuela for Caracas (Liones?) about 25 years ago (before you were born, no doubt).

He and his wife loved it there. . .so they say. Lots of beer and giant shrimp (prawns).

Mr. LA Sports Fan said...

DIE DIE DIE

rbnlaw said...

karina,
That's a 2 litre beer mug.

catriona dumbledore said...

@Dusty Baker you see, I'm holy...Holeygeddit?

Mr. Customer said...

@28

the longest PGT is still, I believe, this one.

(Misery alert on the click-through)

Mr. LA Sports Fan said...

What's this about bloggers thinking SoSG commenters are casual fans?

catriona dumbledore said...

@Mr C I have a problem of swallowing insults.

catriona dumbledore said...

@Rbnlaw I was alive 25 years ago!.I'm glad your friends loved it when they were here.He played for the venezuelan Yankees! (a team that irritates me,btw)

If it wasn't for politics and street crime, this could be a great country to be. Venezuelan food is delicious (as other foreigners say) so if you have the chance, try it!

catriona dumbledore said...

@Rbnlaw p.s I don't know what it means but I like how it sounds: "no sweat,my pet"

@Mr LASF because they're pretentious! and they are not precisely light-hearted in the way they approach their Dodgers writing. The Sons can be serious as you can possibly be,but they also feature articles when good humor and a laugh are the key themes, that's why they have the loyal faithful who love Dodgers baseball and randomness, either Dodgers related or not :)
I didn't post anything on any Dodgers blog 'till I started posting here, mainly because I was scared to be treated like a baby or a stupid.If I am both of those things,at least you have the patience to ignore me :)

Mr. Customer said...

@Karina

"2L Bierstiefel"

cc: rbnlaw, and probably ought to include dusty and paul, for that matter.

Mr. Customer said...

I'd have said "boot", but I prefer not to use that word when discussing large quantities of beer.

Neeebs said...

Mr. C was born in the wrong century.

catriona dumbledore said...

NicJ,from the longest PGT ever:

"its nice to know that when the dodgers are down, the giants are still worse"

I need to wipe my nose now :_(

Mr. Customer said...

@Neeebs

Damn straight.

I didn't think I was being archaic, though, just abstruse.

Mr. Customer said...

Oh, shit! To the game thread!

Dusty Baker said...

@Mr C @ 4.12

Noted.

Steve Sax said...

@Mr LA SF 3:56p: love the deadman avatar

reminds me of this year's team