Ted Lilly pitches a CG SHO two-hitter, allowing a Reed Johnson two-run HR to standup as the Dodgers' only runs necessary. Tony Olivo's tossing (arguing a called third strike) provided the only excitement in an otherwise tame game. But the Dodgers stave off falling to .500 for at least another two days. Seven back in the Wild Card, not that that's relevant anymore...
Thursday, August 19, 2010
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Sax, we won! Buck up!
I think I am going to grow a playoff beard. Just for old times sake.
Hey, we have three CGSOs!
That's, like, a lot for us.
I'm going to have a hard time convincing Mrs Dusty to go for my playoff beard gambit this season.
( On me, not her, Mr C. )
What's protocol on unfinished conversation in GT>PGT transition? Sometimes there's so much I still want to say in the GT based on previous comments.
i would say just transfer the convo to the current thread
let the expletives fly, DB.
Gotcha, Nic.
Paul- I'm your daddy.
well, maybe not that one DB.
haha.
Levine bagging on Deuce's parents for keeping him up so late to do his 8th inning antics.
Only a casual dad would claim that.
It's not like I got hammered and didn't show up to your games like Spank's old man, Paul.
Yeah but showing up leather pants might be worse.
Speaking of getting hammered and not showing up. Where is Sax?
Hey now, ease up. I'm hardly hammered.
I do think the Deuce routine albeit cute is a little child exploitationish at this stage. Maybe this will finally convince them to cut DSB altogether (for the second game that I've attended, no Jameson Moss, yet we still played the song despite the fact we were winning).
I didn't know you were headed to the Yard, Sax. Did you stay til the end? If so, was it a pretty good ovation for Teddy? I read some Tweets that said it was pretty loud for him. Hope so. Local boy done good! He said he was emotional afterward having grown ip around Dodgers an always wanting to pitch there.
Lilly got a sweet round of applause when he took the mound in the ninth, at least from the non-casual fans the bloggers pine to see...
@DB: yeah,I fell into tickets so i got there late and stated until the end...
That's Awesome that you got to be there sax.
Bad timing for Josh's outing to the Yard this week though.
Wow, lots of post-game navel-gazing! (not that I disapprove).
I especially enjoyed Dusty's preemptive strike against my smartassery.
*grammar salvaged*
Lily will probably pitch well for the rest of the season. The Dodgers will either let him go a la Randy Wolf and get nothing for him, infuriating fans like me. Or we will sign him for too much money and he will be Ted Lily, infuriating fans like me.
Apparently several tweeters consider the posters here to be "casual fans." I find the arrogance a little annoying.
Dammit FB (my Faberuben brutha),
there is no good end to this scenario.
But I do think we need to resign Lilly based on what he can do, and what he's done to us in the past.
I was high on the Lilly for about 15 mins last night until I realized he was 36. Too much of a risk there for anything long term and expensive, in my book.
@rbn
Yes, that's a bit irritating. I do not much care what the twitterati think, however. Everyone likes to play armchair GM now and then, but I don't think it should suck all the joy out of being a baseball fan.
Thus, I refrain from punching myself in the face repeatedly about how much the Dodgers suck.
DB: He's only 34, according to the always-trustworthy Wikipedia. I say he merits a two-year deal.
Just don't create another Jon Garland monster, Ned.
I look at their tweets as lowbrow humor and hubris. Most are stat-driven geeks who figure their mathematical leanings are the way to "truly" enjoy the game. At the end of the day, it's still a game. Stats can't predict shit, or Juan Pierre wouldn't have a job.
As for Lilly; he's older than Randy Wolf, but could be more effective the way he throws. He reminds me of Maddux without the 300 wins and Cy Youngs.
Nice Josh,
Now I'll go to bed tonight with visions of Lilly getting 12 wins for the Pod Rays next year as they go back-to-back for division championships.
V.Pad to the DL?
So that's what was wrong.
I'm glad I don't keep up with tweets. All this inter-blogger drama is too much for me.
Casual is my middle name. I'd rather drink beers and stalk women than review stats on my free time.
Sorry re Lilly age. FOX post game screwed that up and I took it as the truth. Like I do all FOX statements of fact.
Heh. You tha man Spank.
This Lilly punk is growing on me, but as El Montanero said wisely a few days ago, there's no point to grow attached.
I do think playing for LA might be a great motivation for Lilly,but what do I know?there's no stat for that.
Hey Fred's Brim, I missed you around here.Like a LOT.
At this point in the season, I'd say a fire sale for prospects works best for me.
We will have HUGE holes to fill next season.
Sounds like Karina woke up with a +3 surly factor. I like it!
Neeebs,I dare you to say that in Twitter.
I understand we can't trade the whole farm for regular and experienced players but it doesn't mean the Dodgers can gamble once in a while or a lot, depending on the needs.
They whine about a losing team AND the same time they whine about trading "prospects".If they don't have cash, how on earth are they going to fill the empty places?.At the end of the day, the trade that brought Barba to LA was beneficial for the team,even if he hasn't had a good season.
@Dusty Baker by the way, bullying @rbaly79 for Twitter, it's not cool,at all.A part of me wishes I could give that person the rudest reply ever.
Who was bullying Roberto?
It's been a long week for me, so I have decided to quit brains, cold turkey.
On monday. One more binge should do it. Who's in?
The sidebar has our Division Win probability at 0%. Did the Padres win 25 games last night?
@Dusty Baker A fellow SoSG reader. Roberto was very nice to him (as always),even sharing an opinion. Paraphrasing Mr C, he's a better person than most of us, so it's not cool.
Unless Lilly was a high school ringer he should be 34ish.
This organization reputation is taking a big hit. I don't think Ted believes the Dodgers will be serious about signing him. Probably would be overpriced.
An infamous Casualito is what I like to be called.
Casualito....I like it!
I consider myself more of a causal fan.
I'm a business casual fan.
I consider myself a fan of Casual
This is what kind of fan I am:
http://www.casualculture.cjb.net
Sons need to put up a "Work-watching Thread" for today.
Today is casual Friday
The Post Game thread for that would pretty interesting
Casual definitions,courtesy of urban dictionary:
4.Casual: its casual, meaning "its whatever" or "its chill"; also can be used to describe random objects that you see.
12.Casual:a casual alcoholic beverage; beer is the number one casual beverage. the ideal situation for drinking casual is when you just get home from a long day at work, or when you just want to enjoy a few casuals with the boys(close friends/chums)
Random objects and/or drinking beer at home after work.Nah,I haven't heard of suck behavior.
Is this casual statlickers?
I hope I don't get censored by Lasorda. We all know how he is on top of things by his posts.
Casual Fridays would be far less productive, were it taken to that extreme.
You mean "such behavior," Karina?
@Karina:
I don't Tweet/Twit/whatever they call it. I have enough distractions.
I'm also like to be the "voice of reason" (Here come the flames, watch out.) We have a ton of holes to fill for next season. At this point we should start focusing on that reality, rather than hope to jump Philly/St. Louis for a Wild Card.
Sad, but true.
The Casualitos don't quite get your reasoning Neeebs. The Dodgers are out of it?!?
I'm actually (mostly) with Neeebs. Even if we do make a Rockies-like run, the holes are still there.
I just think it would be advantageous to not burn the Lilly bridge (again). I would leave him out of the fire sale for now, even with MSTI being right about him having the most value right this second.
This might be biggest Dodger off season turnover in years.
It is amazing how big the drop off the bullpen as been when you look at them as indivduals. Sherrill, Tron, Belly, Weaver have had injuries, personal issues and minor league assignments.
Then we had that Ortiz guy.
Nothing seemed to work this year. (- Kuo)
OK, since I started the whole thing, let me finish the thought (need I remind you all of my AC record).
Roberto, indeed, was the one who tweeted about certain trades making the "casual fan" happy. He was tweeting in reply to something Argyledplaschke (KempKershaw) wrote about trading future talent for "right now" talent (or something like that).
I took that as a "bread and circuses" type of comment. In other words, Colletti is making trades to keep the butts in the seats, no matter the cost. We the "casual fan" will be more than happy to keep buying tickets as long as the Mannys keep rotating though The Ravine.
I see most of the bloggers (present company excepted) as stat-driven fans, using imaginary mathematical formulas to rationalize their criticisms. I also don't see Roberto in that group, but he did say tweet what he tweeted. I just called it like I saw it.
Let's get back to this one.
^tweet
not say tweet. That just sounds stupid.
I don't think the psychological/mental reaction to a trade gets enough focus.
Sometimes a player needs a new scene or a kick
in the ass that they won't be around for long if they don't step it up. We all have started new jobs am tried to put our best foot forward.
Not to mention the different schedules, coaching and stadiums that are involved when a player is traded.
In other words pointing to a players month long stats and trying to say he would have done that with his former team is being a bit dishonest.
I don't know why I have so much angst. The Yankees had this wraped up in Feb.
Just noted Moriyama's tweet from yesterday:
"Matt Kemp has ripped three balls today. Nothing as a result. Not your year, dude."
Just not your year? Is there a stat for that? So any other time a player stinks, it's because their WARVORPTOOTBPLANOPSBABIP coefficient is shitty, but in Kemp's case, it's "just not his year."
#LiesDamnLiesStatistics
@Paul
Exactly - February of 1926.
Dude leads his team in HR's and RBI, but it's not his year.
See, HR's and RBI are useless stats because the casual fan can compute them.
Is Kemp having a good or bad year? I don't even know any more.
@Josh S.: I envision us skipping arm in arm down the yellow brick road. (mostly.)
@Paul: Is it time for the FM reunion tour?
@All: What the fuck is a TOOTBLAN?
Oh, I can easily envision Neeebs and Josh skipping down the road, arm in arm.
@Neeebs:
Or an XFIP for that matter.
xFIP = ((13*(.106*# of fly balls))+(3*BB+HBP-IBB)-(2*K))/IP+constant
Doesn't that make baseball fun??
@DB: Did you just cuss me out?
OK, what's TOOTBLAN?
@Dusty
"Is Kemp having a good or bad year?"
Yes.
I actually enjoy advanced statistics a bit...
What turns me off the other blogs is the constant doom and gloom as well as the overall cynicism.
As a few of us were explaining recently, in particular myself, I do like statistics - a lot - but I just don't view them as the entrant into my love for the game. Statistics can often after the fact reveal a player's or a team's talent, and I enjoy what they reveal in that regard. But I don't rely on them to help my understanding of a player or of the game, and certainly not to help my enjoyment of the game itself as it is played out.
xFIP looks xRIDICULOUS!
I'm also curious about TOOTBLAN.
I think Kemp and Ethier are having a Pierre 2009 year.
Good at the beginning worthless after
Tootblan has to do with Theriot's fielding and baserunning mistakes I believe.
Thrown
Out
On
The
Basepaths
Like
A
Nincompoop
A term bestowed upon Theriot by Cubs fans.
I've grown tired of it already.
It's an Acronym but I'm not fact checking
@Spanky:
Agreed with assessment of Ethier/Kemp.
Also agree with the B&B avatar
@Mr. F: I hate to sound too doom and gloom lately, too. I'll try to cheer up. I do still enjoy watching the games.
Buck up, Neeebs! We need you for the stretch.
Cybermetric's the be all end all to some. I'm an observastionist.
What I see don't lie.
As Yours Truly maintains a subscription to Baseball Prospectus and peruses the occasional Baseball Abstract, the occasional esoteric statistic isn't beyond my simple comprehension.
I like it as a tool to understand the game, but I try not to forget that numbers aren't why I love the game. Lord knows that Ned and I aren't on the same page most of the time, but I'm not getting paid to run a baseball team, so I'm not going to get worked up into a lather over it.
Seeing is believing, indeed.
Yoga, then the pool, then the beer.
I sure as shit wish you did run the team, Mr. C. I could look forward to the occasional sacking of the countryside if things didn't go well on the field.
@Rbnlaw @QuadSevens as Dusty replied to me in Twitter:
"Thrown Out On The Basepaths Like A Nincompoop"
If by any chance you don't what Nincompoop is, it's a foolish or stupid person.
@Dusty Baker I meant "such"
@Rbnlaw my mistake,then.I thought he was bullying Roberto.I admit I have a sort of bad predisposition because (at least the ones on Twitter) are very pretentious, rude with whoever doesn't share their opinions,gloomy and cynic,all the time. I started following some and stopped to do so, others I followed through replies of fellow SoSGers.Then I mixed it with the fact that I like Roberto very much.I'm sorry,very sorry.
I like statistics very much but there are certain things that can't be measured. For example, I agree 100% about what Paul said over psychological aspects.
Let's take James Loney,for example, though he's not hitting his usual self lately, his production is constant and he drives lots of runs and he's very good defensively,so I don't care if those are old-fashioned stats or if he isn't very much of a power hitter.
@Mr C that's the other thing: all the merciless ripping, there's a reason they get paid to be managers and GMs while others,like us, just dedicate a precious amount of time not only to Dodgers baseball, but baseball in general
Hear, hear, Karina!
Official that Battle Toad to the DL and T Slick back.
@karina
I like to be mad all at once, have a good swear, and get back to my life. I'd rather not nurse it like at 2L Bierstiefel
@dusty
"sacking of the countryside"
Ha! That will put an end to paying all these costly signing bonuses. It's impressment for the lot of you!
Time for a Group Hug? (wipes nose)
I find it amusing what we decide to do with a whole day to ourselves on a PGT.
It was more like a Pre-Game Thread
This probably one of the longest running PGT ever. As far as time goes, not sure about comments.
Anyone going to the game tonight?
100
100!
Not a single post by the Sons today (so far)!
@Mr C I don't know what you mean with "to nurse it like 2L Bierstiefel"
@Spank I don't know if we need a group hug,but I can hug you,if you need it.
@karina,
No sweat, my pet. (more obscure English idioms!)
Found out last night that a friend of mine played winter ball in Venezuela for Caracas (Liones?) about 25 years ago (before you were born, no doubt).
He and his wife loved it there. . .so they say. Lots of beer and giant shrimp (prawns).
DIE DIE DIE
karina,
That's a 2 litre beer mug.
@Dusty Baker you see, I'm holy...Holeygeddit?
@28
the longest PGT is still, I believe, this one.
(Misery alert on the click-through)
What's this about bloggers thinking SoSG commenters are casual fans?
@Mr C I have a problem of swallowing insults.
@Rbnlaw I was alive 25 years ago!.I'm glad your friends loved it when they were here.He played for the venezuelan Yankees! (a team that irritates me,btw)
If it wasn't for politics and street crime, this could be a great country to be. Venezuelan food is delicious (as other foreigners say) so if you have the chance, try it!
@Rbnlaw p.s I don't know what it means but I like how it sounds: "no sweat,my pet"
@Mr LASF because they're pretentious! and they are not precisely light-hearted in the way they approach their Dodgers writing. The Sons can be serious as you can possibly be,but they also feature articles when good humor and a laugh are the key themes, that's why they have the loyal faithful who love Dodgers baseball and randomness, either Dodgers related or not :)
I didn't post anything on any Dodgers blog 'till I started posting here, mainly because I was scared to be treated like a baby or a stupid.If I am both of those things,at least you have the patience to ignore me :)
@Karina
"2L Bierstiefel"
cc: rbnlaw, and probably ought to include dusty and paul, for that matter.
I'd have said "boot", but I prefer not to use that word when discussing large quantities of beer.
Mr. C was born in the wrong century.
NicJ,from the longest PGT ever:
"its nice to know that when the dodgers are down, the giants are still worse"
I need to wipe my nose now :_(
@Neeebs
Damn straight.
I didn't think I was being archaic, though, just abstruse.
@Mr C @ 4.12
Noted.
@Mr LA SF 3:56p: love the deadman avatar
reminds me of this year's team
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