Monday, August 31, 2009

Manny Proves To Be Adequate Fill In For Pierre

Saturday marked Manny's 50th game since his return from suspension. How did those 50 games stack up against JP's 50 games during the suspension?:

Player
Games
Avg
OBP
SLG
Hits
R
HR
RBI
SB
Juan Pierre1
50
0.318
0.375
0.411
68
32
0
21
21
Manny Ramirez2
50
0.284
0.385
0.494
50
24
8
28
0

150-game period during Manny's suspension (5/7 - 7/1)
250-game period following suspension (7/3 - 8/29)

It's debatable whose numbers are better, but is Juan Pierre suddenly looking like a relative bargain? Interestingly, both Manny and Juan seem to suffer from the same 20-game letdown phenomenon. We showed you JP's 20/30 game splits. Let's take a look at Manny's.

Manny Ramirez's first 50 post-suspension games:

AB
Avg
SLG
HR
AB/HR
RBI
Games 1-20
65
0.292
0.615
5
13.0
17
Games 21-50
111
0.279
0.423
3
37.0
11

Hopefully he'll soon revert to his pre-suspension production levels. Stay tuned...

6 comments:

Ken said...

thanks for finally defending pierre's performance, because a lot of those stats-crazy fans were tearing him apart for having a lousy 2nd half of the 50 games.

manny has been downright playing like russell martin.

KempKershaw said...

Manny slumping is still better than Pierre. Manny hits for power and walks. Simple as that.

And the reason Pierre's been getting dumped on for slumping over the last 30 GAMES of Manny's suspension is because people were acting as though he carried the team during those 50 games, and people like Thom Brennaman called him outstanding while Karros called him the team's MVP. He was very good for 20 games, piss poor for 30.

KempKershaw said...

By the way, I think there's no debate, Manny's been better.

Eric Karros said...

Seriously speaking, I don't actually think Pierre compares to Manny in general. In those particular 50-game periods however, it's closer than one might think, though Manny does have stronger numbers based primarily on what you said: OBP and SLG.

But I do fear that when all is said and done, the amount by which we overpaid for Manny won't be orders of magnitude less than the amount by which we overpaid for Pierre.

Eric Karros said...

Actually, looking at my post again, Manny's OBP isn't really much better than Pierre's.

Ken said...

@ EK

ur right. it is not a fair comparison by any means. manny hasn't contributed in the last month. this team is winning games because of the pitching. the pitching is what is carrying this team. special medals to kemp and ethier for carrying the offensive load so manny doesnt get booed out of town.