tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post8587595678872828182..comments2024-03-13T00:46:47.172-07:00Comments on Sons of Steve Garvey: Collins & Lyons Like Oscar & FelixSteve Saxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00930320282262607468noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-37181190031239507942009-07-03T19:31:54.811-07:002009-07-03T19:31:54.811-07:00if you find yourself siding with steve lyons you s...if you find yourself siding with steve lyons you should find yourself a shotgun and ram it down your throat and find a way to pull the triggerbig baby givhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08213073359981322874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-67580455387414251172009-06-25T13:59:13.543-07:002009-06-25T13:59:13.543-07:00@Booger- Kevin Kennedy does color commentary for t...@Booger- Kevin Kennedy does color commentary for the Rays nowUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748278534130121481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-8163737853348744082009-06-25T11:50:38.813-07:002009-06-25T11:50:38.813-07:00I liked this back-and-forth between them. And I th...I liked this back-and-forth between them. And I think it highlights an important point: BOTH statistics AND old school baseball know-how should be used to evaluate players. They're both right. Can't they just work together, like peanut butter and jelly? Yes. You're welcome.cigarcowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547701757795687269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-58509645848609790932009-06-25T11:48:22.007-07:002009-06-25T11:48:22.007-07:00I really recommend Baseball Prospectus' book B...I really recommend Baseball Prospectus' book Baseball Between the Numbers, it's awesome!DanGarionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10173242017386727684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-86121937770654300752009-06-25T11:47:43.913-07:002009-06-25T11:47:43.913-07:00How can Lyons not like baseball stats? If I'm ...How can Lyons not like baseball stats? If I'm not mistaken, Lyons still leads the majors in all-time DPOFDP (Dropped Pants On Field During Play).Steve Saxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00930320282262607468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-52220115715201161032009-06-25T11:29:33.085-07:002009-06-25T11:29:33.085-07:00Anyone who uses "stupid" in an argument ...Anyone who uses "stupid" in an argument has lost my respect.Mr. LA Sports Czarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973447602451236780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-32724233684679482252009-06-25T11:04:36.586-07:002009-06-25T11:04:36.586-07:00How long did that take you type out? Whatever the...How long did that take you type out? Whatever the duration I'm glad you did. A very nice read. Collins gains some points in my book with his intelligent, non confrontational, demeanor.<br /><br />Lyons should start small (OBP, SLG) and work his way up like I am trying to do. Familiarize yourself with a new statistical measure every month or so.Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02764887064282626645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-14431079032646458862009-06-25T10:01:41.920-07:002009-06-25T10:01:41.920-07:00Props to Collins for arguing his point, not gettin...Props to Collins for arguing his point, not getting pushed around, not being defensive, and being civil.<br /><br />Seeing too many stats at once may be overwhelming and hard to make sense of. But closing your eyes and pretending they don't exist won't make things clearer. It's just less information to make an evaluation. There's nothing wrong with that, but the evaluations won't be as accurate.MR.Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04179563442472628174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-47681143275545823332009-06-25T09:41:40.481-07:002009-06-25T09:41:40.481-07:00I love how these guys ramble on and on about how t...I love how these guys ramble on and on about how they are baseball guys and they understand the game, but when it comes down to it, they don't even understand that very well, like from a mechanics/fundamentals perspective that has nothing to do with statistics.<br /><br />It amazes me that they are still employed while Orel Hershiser (who actually gives great mechanics/fundamental/strategy insight) is relegated to LLWS and CWS broadcasts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-90778710272391313762009-06-25T09:39:08.090-07:002009-06-25T09:39:08.090-07:00rbnlaw-Empirical evidence doesn't cloud anythi...rbnlaw-Empirical evidence doesn't cloud anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-61712788474206335572009-06-25T09:30:01.996-07:002009-06-25T09:30:01.996-07:00*sigh*
Why can't Vin Scully call every game?*sigh*<br /><br />Why can't Vin Scully call every game?midnightdrivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00232943842603152079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-89720701255435623762009-06-25T08:44:48.587-07:002009-06-25T08:44:48.587-07:00Say what you will, maybe it's my age, but I fi...Say what you will, maybe it's my age, but I find myself siding with Lyons on this one.<br />Too many stats clog the mind. As Mark Twain once said, "There are liars, damn liars, and statisticians."rbnlawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192692349456006520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-84489028100261362242009-06-25T08:30:51.734-07:002009-06-25T08:30:51.734-07:00And I'm supposed to find that man's opinio...And I'm supposed to find that man's opinion valuable?Mr. LA Sports Czarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973447602451236780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-5195172713665714422009-06-25T08:30:16.617-07:002009-06-25T08:30:16.617-07:00I started reading it, but it was too long and I fe...I started reading it, but it was too long and I feel I got the jist of it.<br /><br />Collins: You look at a guys OPS, it can be very indicative of his performance. It provides a lot of insight that most numbers can't.<br />Lyons: I don't care, it's stupid.Mr. LA Sports Czarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973447602451236780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-27654058023919832582009-06-25T08:18:32.865-07:002009-06-25T08:18:32.865-07:00I officially don't like Steve Lyons anymore. ...I officially don't like Steve Lyons anymore. And although I haven't seen many games lately (didn't hear this conversation) Collins kicks ass already. IMO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-25050264826011375772009-06-25T07:27:36.116-07:002009-06-25T07:27:36.116-07:00im not sold on Collins yet, he doesnt have that le...im not sold on Collins yet, he doesnt have that legendary voice or very good insight. <br /><br />How come Kevin Kennedy isnt on Dodgers live anymore?Boogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17186219338964798705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36360371.post-7042094786389422862009-06-25T06:22:30.242-07:002009-06-25T06:22:30.242-07:00I know I groused about them earlier in the season,...I know I groused about them earlier in the season, but this pairing is finally growing on me.Josh S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06838578298386299922noreply@blogger.com